Item description for Hold'em on the Come: Limit Hold'em Strategy for Drawing Hands by Rolf Slotboom & Dew mason...
Every time you call when you should fold, you're giving away money. Every time you fold when you should call, you're giving away money. In this innovative book Rolf Slotboom and Dew Mason provide a comprehensive guide to playing drawing hands after the flop in hold'em. Their methodical approach to playing 'on the come' will provide you with a thorough grounding in post-flop play, enabling you to make the correct decisions in determining whether or not you should remain in the hand. Hold'em on the Come answers such key limit hold'em questions as: What should I do with a flush or straight draw? How should I play with unimproved overcards? How do I count outs, and what are the criteria for counting them as "full" outs? What is the impact of the size of the pot on your decision? All leading to this all-important question: Do I belong in the pot or not? The authors provide you with an in-depth analysis of drawing hands, leading to a simple but effective system that at all stages will help you "see where you're at" -- which in turn should help your overall results tremendously. * "Lots of players misplay their drawing hands, especially beginning players and those who have only learned poker by the seat of their pants. "Hold'em On The Come" is a great addition to the poker literature, especially so for these players. Rolf is known for giving accurate and easy-to-understand advice, and he does an excellent job in this book of presenting that advice such that any holdem player can become better at playing their draws." Greg Raymer, 2004 World Champion of Poker * "Rolf Slotboom is one of my favorite poker authors. His deep understanding of the game coupled with his clear concise presentation makes this book by Dew Mason and him a sure fire winner." By Barry Tanenbaum CardPlayer columnists, and a highly successful middle-limit hold'em player "This book is a must-read for all serious limit hold'em players. It provides the most comprehensive discussion to date on the play of drawing hands. The added comments by poker pro Rolf Slotboom make the book an invaluable addition to your poker library." Jim Brier, CardPlayer columnist and well-known poker author
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Est. Packaging Dimensions: Length: 8.9" Width: 5.9" Height: 0.8" Weight: 0.85 lbs.
Release Date Apr 1, 2006
Publisher D & B Publishing
ISBN 1904468233 ISBN13 9781904468233
Reviews - What do customers think about Hold'em on the Come: Limit Hold'em Strategy for Drawing Hands?
Disappointed Jun 28, 2008
I found it difficult to understand and found myself reading the same paragraph over 3 times on many occasions. I had to stop reading it half way through because It seemed to become tedious to read. The advice about counting outs is ok, but often it assumes you are up against a top hand, hardly taking into account a bluff which is very common on online limit poker. Also the mathematical difference you can make to your bankroll is of little significance unless your playing very high limit poker. Even if you perfected what the author is trying to teach, you probably wont have the time or energy to apply it to online poker.
Nitty but useful Dec 13, 2007
For less experienced players, this is a thorough exploration of drawing hands in limit hold'em. However, the play system he advocates is very intricate and unwieldy, in my view. To take into consideration all the factors that can weaken a draw, the author uses fractions of outs. Count 'em up, let's see, we've got 4 1/2 outs, but need 5 to draw, that's a fold.
I'm sure Slotboom is a math head who does this effortlessly, but for most of us, I think the return is not worth all the effort. Most decisions are clearcut -- you have 8 outs, that's always a call, even if it really is 7.5 outs. Certainly figuring by tenths of outs would give only an illusion of precision, and I really doubt that 1/2 outs provide better resolution. It is a rare hand that might be decided by 1/2 an out. In such close situations, you are almost always going to decide according to how the opponent has been playing, what your image is, what happened last hand, etc.
You will understand draws after this book. The system of discounting outs will help you understand the complexity that effects the quality of a draw, but I doubt many people retain the scoring system. Discounting outs is important, but can be simplified. If you've got a pair and an inside draw, that's six outs to improve, but since two of those cards (that make trips) could give him a full house, you only count one of them, for a total of five outs. Slotboom will figure 'there are only 3.5 clean outs to a straight, because you might tie, and the villain might make a runner-runner flush, so that discounts another half, plus the two halves discounted for a fullhouse, which adds up to 4.5 outs, but he's a bad player who will keep raising the river, so add a half, for a total of five, so call.' Or something like that.
Bill Haywood HoldemTight
count your outs Jan 10, 2007
this book was a very good read to familiarize yourself with counting outs. the only thimg that was really surprising, was the fact that with all the explantions of outs and draws, i cant believe the author did not include any thourough discussion comparing your outs to the odds against making your hand. ie. u have 9 outs, therefore you ars 4 to 1 against making your hand, now compare that to size of pot, and you see to call a $10 bet you need the pot to contain at least $40. none of this was in the book. if i hadnt known how to calculate my odds,(4 to 1) etc. i would have never understood how the author came to a conclusion that he needed 4 outs to stay in a hand. really strange.
Great BOOK ! ! Nov 13, 2006
if you are into poker like me.. invest in this book is worth it... this is comming from a poker head that has over 15 books..... If you think you know how to play yours draws....Raad this book... n you wil learn thing or two..... I did.! ! special when to foldem...lol Good luck on the tables.
Heavy Value. Oct 7, 2006
If the reader is anything like me then they probably play a lot of no limit hold `em, and probably, at some point, have come to the realization that no limit ring games aren't going to last forever. This is particularly true if the reader happens to be a fellow American whose government recently declared war on our perfectly civilized habit of playing online poker. The long and the short of it is that we may well find ourselves in a brick and mortar casino playing whatever game is available with a reasonable buy in, which often, is a limit game (unless you're in Vegas where they have NL 100 and 200 live--by me it's NL 300 only). Therefore, brushing up on, or learning limit for the first time is advisable. With Hold' Em on the Come, Slotboom and Mason only do one thing, but they do it well which is to analyze and proscribe when draws should be played after the flop. The book issues lengthy discussion on this subject, but it is more diverse than you think as it includes low pairs, two pairs, and overcards along with the obvious mix of straights and flushes. From what I can gather, most of the text is really Dew Mason's with additional insight provided by Rolf "Ace" Slotboom. His sections are boxed off and titled "Ace Speaks." The great Ace's commentary enriches the work tremendously, and, personally, I'll buy anything he puts out because I loved his DVDs and still watch them. Overall, I found this offering invaluable.