Item description for Four Views On Eternal Security (Counterpoints) by Michael S. Horton; Norman L. Geisler; Stephen M. Ashby; J. Steven Harper...
Overview In this book, four writers explain and defend their approaches to perseverance in salvation from the vantage point of Classical Calvinism, Moderate Calvinism, Reformed Arminianism, and Wesleyan-Arminianism, and each writer responds to the other views.
Publishers Description Does the Bible support the concept of 'once saved, always saved, ' or can a person lose his or her salvation? How do the Scriptures portray the complex interplay between grace and free will? These and related questions are explored from different angles in this thought-provoking Counterpoints volume. The contributors each state their case for one of four prominent views on eternal security: classical Calvinist, moderate Calvinist, reformed Arminian, and Wesleyan Arminian. In keeping with the forum approach of the Counterpoints series, each view is first presented by its proponent, then critiqued and defended. This fair and respectful approach allows you to weigh for yourself the strengths and weaknesses of the different doctrinal stances. By furnishing you with scholarly and thoughtful perspectives on the topic of eternal security, this book helps you sift through opposing views to arrive at your own informed conclusions. The Counterpoints series provides a forum for comparison and critique of different views on issues important to Christians. Counterpoints books address two categories: Church Life and Bible and Theology. Complete your library with other books in the Counterpoints series
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Est. Packaging Dimensions: Length: 1" Width: 5.25" Height: 8" Weight: 0.5 lbs.
Release Date May 6, 2002
Publisher Zondervan Publishing
ISBN 0310234395 ISBN13 9780310234395 UPC 025986234393
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More About Michael S. Horton; Norman L. Geisler; Stephen M. Ashby; J. Steven Harper
Stanley N. Gundry is executive vice president and editor-in-chief for the Zondervan Corporation. He has been an influential figure in the Evangelical Theological Society, serving as president of ETS and on its executive committee, and is adjunct professor of Historical Theology at Grand Rapids Theological Seminary. He is the author of seven books and has written many articles appearing in popular and academic periodicals.
Stanley N. Gundry currently resides in Grand Rapids, in the state of Michigan.
Stanley N. Gundry has published or released items in the following series...
Counterpoints: Bible & Theology
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Reviews - What do customers think about Four Views On Eternal Security (Counterpoints)?
... Nov 30, -0001
Where is the "Moderate Calvinist" view point? Geisler's not a Calvinist in anyway but Arminian.
Interesting Topic - Narrow Analysis Nov 30, -0001
Edited by Matthew Pinson "Four views on Eternal Salvation" examines the issue of salvation within Christian theology. I offer the following comments for potential readers.
The discussion is divided into four sections - each examines a different view of salvation. The respective sections present an overview of the principle author's argument followed by observations from the other contributors. In this text Michael Horton represents classic Calvinism Norman Geisler moderate Calvinism, Stephen Ashby Arminianism and Steven Harper Wesleyan Arminianism.
Although I enjoy these types of discussion formats and am interested in the subject matter I found the book disappointing. My disappointment does not stem from the quality of writing but rather from the selection of viewpoints. From my perspective most of the authors were too closely clustered in the contemporary conservative protestant camp to provide a well rounded Christian perspective. Indeed, I think if this discussion were broadened to include a Catholic (by far the largest Christian segment) and liberal Christian perspectives it would be very helpful.
As it is, the book is probably only of interest to a limited conservative protestan audience.
Straining to Let Scripture Interpret Scripture Nov 30, -0001
Each of four differing theological systems struggle here with the issue of eternal security/perseverance/apostasy. What each of the four views essentially struggle with is the problem of original sin and the solution of justification by grace through faith.
I say this because this fascinating read deals with these two huge issues, which directly affect one's outcome on the eternal security/perseverance/apostasy issue. What one gives up on depravity one will try and make up on justification. Grace is a huge topic impacting predestination and conditional or unconditional salvation.
Each of these four differing views struggles with the question of how one is saved. Solving this with election or lack of it, free will or lack of it, resistable grace or irresistable grace. These dilemmas are caused by each of the four's primary hermeneutic being logic. Harper insightfully states: "Logic becomes a substitute for mystery; explanation a substitute for wonder." Then he turns around himself and works his way out of a theological dilemma by logic.
Interesting as these four views here articulately represented is letting Scripture speak to the issue. What is missing is the Lutheran view, which oddly enough does exactly what Harper proposes Scripture in fact does: lets the mystery of it all rest with God, and doesn't give us any logical out. Total depravity, justification by grace through faith alone; resistable grace by the unbeliever; apostasy is a definite possibility for the believer. Logically this doesn't jive, but the Bible does make this case. When logic seeps in to solve this "mystery", then one of these cases will capture man's following as here demonstrated.
One could see Francis Pieper's appropriate section in his four volume Christian Dogmatics translated into Engligh.
This book proves that Wesleyanism denies Faith Alone Nov 30, -0001
This book is a fairly good introduction to the issue of eternal security (or perseverance of the saints). There are four main essays in the book (with responses): Classical Calvinism--Michael Horton; Moderate Calvinism--Norman Geisler; Reformed Arminianism (or True Arminianism)--Stephen Ashby; and Wesleyan Arminianism--Steven Harper. Horton writes from a "covenant theology" paradigm and argues well that the warning passages are directed towards professing Christians who have not truly been regenerated by God's grace. The warning passages serve to warn the professors of the consequences of falling away and not belonging to the true covenant community. A pretty good essay. Norm Geisler advocates the position that true believers are eternally secure even though they may fall into significant degrees of sin (which brings loss of rewards and divine chastisement if left unrepented of), though apostasy is impossible. A "moderate" free grace position. Stephen Ashby argues that salvation can only be lost through a "deliberate" act of apostasy. Though sin cannot make you lose your salvation, you can lose your salvation permanently if you apostasize. Ashby's essay is very grace-oriented and convincingly argues that the penal-substitutionary view of the atonement is the Biblical one. Stephen Harpur presents the most problematic essay. Harpur writes using many of Wesley's writings and sayings. However, the problem with Harpur's view (and Wesleyanism in general) is that it downgrades the penal-substitutionary atonement of Christ and justification by faith alone. Harpur even concludes that Wesley's (and the Wesleyan) view of the atonement is a mixture of the moral influence, ransom, penal-substitution, and governmental theories! He even concludes that one sin can make you lose your salvation and that sins can be categorized as involuntary (non-mortal) and voluntary (mortal)! This essay should open the eyes of Bible-believing Christians and demonstrate clearly where Wesleyanism lies on the soteriological spectrum (which is grace-denying, legalistic, and anti-Reformational). This shows that Wesleyans in general are performance-oriented than Biblically-oriented in regards to the doctrine of salvation. At least Harpur doesn't make excessive statements (though he is inconsistent at times) as some who have written from a Wesleyan perspective on this subject (e.g., Dan Corner). Though the responses are weak (except the responses by Horton and Ashby in response to the Wesleyan-Arminian view) the overall book is a great introduction to a very important issue. Very helpful for the laity and seminarians wanting a good introduction to this topic.
Needs More Exegesis But Fun Reading Anyway Nov 30, -0001
The topic of eternal security generates quite a bit of emotions from believers. Most fall into the Calvinistic camp of eternal security for all the wrong reasons such as sinful living, laziness, and out right disbelief. Many Arminians equally fall into their position by wrong motives such as legalism or dogmatism. However, the topic of eternal security always generates a tough debate.
This book expresses that argument. The book is best described as one long argument without any clear conclusions. Exegesis of the texts are ignored and instead the book is full of proof-texting (especially by Norman Geisler). I thought that Michael Horton and Stephen Ashby did the best jobs of presenting their views. I was highly impressed with the "Reformed Arminian" view of Ashby. His arguments are worth getting this book.
Overall, while I did not feel that the writers dealt enough with Scripture, the book is fun reading. You will enjoy the debate albeit it does little for the debate itself.