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The Pope, the Council, and the Mass: Answers to Questions the "Traditionalists" Have Asked [Paperback]

By James Likoudis (Author) & Kenneth D. Whitehead (Author)
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Originally published in 1981, this book quickly became the definitive response to those who questioned or rejected the New Order of the Mass as implemented following Vatican II. It has now been updated to reflect current Church discipline in liturgical matters. With precision yet charity, this book provides answers to the questions that "traditionalists" continue to ask about the Second Vatican Council and the New Order of the Mass. This revised edition contains a new chapter, which reflects on the positive developments in the new liturgy, and an afterword with a history of the Lefebvre Schism.

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The Pope, the Council, and the Mass, the definitive response to ?Traditionalist? Catholics when first published in 1981, has been updated to include the developments from the time of the first publication up to, and including, the beginning of the pontificate of Pope Benedict XVI. In addressing the concerns raised by the followers of the late Archbishop Lefebvre and other ?Traditionalists?, the authors give a truly Catholic understanding of Tradition, the Second Vatican Council and its implementation, and the nature of true liturgical reform. This book not only provides the reader with a sound perspective on the past, it also offers insight into the present state of the Church and the outlook for the future. History, canon law, ecclesiastical and papal documents, and Scripture are mined in this solid apologetic for a faith that is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic.

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Studio: Emmaus Road Publishing
Pages   396
Est. Packaging Dimensions:   Length: 8.46" Width: 5.58" Height: 1.06"
Weight:   1.07 lbs.
Binding  Softcover
Release Date   Nov 1, 2006
Publisher   Emmaus Road Publishing
Edition  Revised  
ISBN  1931018340  
ISBN13  9781931018340  

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More About James Likoudis & Kenneth D. Whitehead

Register your artisan biography and upload your photo! James Likoudis is a former college instructor in history and government with more than twenty years teaching experience in public and private education. A nationally known writer and lecturer in catechetics, sex education, and the liturgy, he has published many articles on these and related subjects, including the booklet Fashioning Person for a New Age critiquing so-called ?Catholic? sex education. A convert to the Catholic Church from Greek Orthodoxy (1952), Mr. Likoudis translated Rene Casin's Saint Thomas Aquinas, Orthodoxy, and Neo-Modernism in the Church (1977). He has authored 3 important books on the possible reunion of the Churches of the East and the West: Ending the Byzantine Greek Schism (Second Revised Edition, 1992; The Divine Primacy of the Bishop of Rome and Modern Eastern Orthodoxy: Letters to a Greek Orthodox on the Unity of the Church (Second Edition, 2002); and Eastern Orthodoxy and the See of Peter (2006). In addition to co-authoring The Pope, the Council and the Mass, he has edited and annotated an English translation of the work of St. Thomas Aquinas: On Reasons for Our Faith against the Muslims, Greeks and Armenians (2002). He received the 2002 Blessed Frederick Ozanam Award for Catholic Social Action from the Society of Catholic Social Scientists (SCSS) and is a contributor to Catholic Social Thought, Social Science, and Social Policy: An Encyclopedia (2006). He is also the author of dozens of articles in a variety of publications, and has long been a sought-after-speaker in defense of Catholic truth. Mr. Likoudis is president-emeritus of Catholics United for the Faith (CUF), an international lay association headquartered in Steubenville, Ohio. Mr. Likoudis is married to the former Ruth Elaine Hickelton, and they are the parents of six children and 35 grandchildren.

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I wanted to like this book  Aug 6, 2007
I really did want to like this book. As far as I can tell, the authors' stance is about the same as mine--Vatican II was a valid Council that said important things, the Mass of Paul VI is valid and holy, the implementation of Vatican II was (and still is) a chaotic mess in some places, and the traditionalists have reason to be upset, but not reason enough to go to the extremes that some did.

All that said ... the book just isn't that good. Start with the fact that one of the arguments it presents concerns the abrogation of the old rite as a fact (response to Question 5); I got my copy just a matter of days before Benedict XVI said that it wasn't. The authors reached their conclusion by overreading the evidence. Moreover, the book throughout engages things at what I'm afraid is often a very superficial level. I guess there's a reason that some traditionalists call their opponents "positivists", because there's more than a trace of it here. Add in the facts that the writing is at best pedestrian and the arguments (when presented) wander all over the place. It's not a happy picture.

There is good stuff here, and both authors have done better work elsewhere. It might be better if they had re-written from scratch rather than just tacking a few notes on to the old edition.

Not a complete waste of time or money, but I would have been happier if I'd picked up a cheaper copy somewhere.
What is the point??  Nov 26, 2006
Most of this book is spent refuting things most traditionalists agree with. I believe in the validity of the mass and the Pope. So Likoudis and Whitehead spent all the efforts trying to prove this point when we already agree. This book is really for someone who is leaning towards the Sedevacantist position. It would be good for the scared traditionalists who are afraid to go to the Novus Ordo because they believe that it's invalid or that the seat of Peter is vacant. The book missed the whole point for the majority of Tradtional Catholics. Now that Rome has declared "Pro Multis" FOR MANY it has made many points irrelevant. The new mass may be valid but is it better? Of course not.
This Book Is More Timely Than Ever!  May 22, 2006
Being a Roman Catholic in the post-Vatican II era has been sometimes painfully challenging; it hurts when a well-meaning liberal tampers with the liturgy or teachings of the faith are incorrectly presented. Our Church is one of a very few(the others being the Eastern Catholic Churches) that along with Sacred Scripture also has Sacred Tradition, which comes to us from the Apostles and early Church fathers. Luther decided to follow sola scriptura and left the Catholic Church. Others in the wake of Vatican II have grown disillusioned with the liberal highjacking of the council's teachings and have rebelled by personally interpreting tradition instead of scripture. This sola traditio that some hurt and upset Catholics have adopted is more commonly known as traditionalism. Its earmark is disobedience to the current living authority of the Church in the name of "truth". The sad part is that this movement is claiming some truly devout people and coloring their view of the Church and the world with jaundiced hatred and cynicism. Someone near and dear to our family has wandered into the dark and cynical realm of Catholic traditionalism, and he presents us with constant criticisms and questions in an effort to "prove" to us that he's in the "real" Church and we are not. Efforts to discuss his concerns degenerate into pope-bashing and we feel helpless to address the myriad of fears and worries that he's feeling in the wake of Vatican II. We recently purchased this book on recommendation from a former member of SSPX, and though it's twenty-five years old, its contents are still as relevant today as back in 1981. This volume presents every important question usually raised by the traditionalists, and the authors address each one with charity and yet are uncompromising. What is startling in reading this treatise on the traditionalist position is how little the criticisms of the Magisterium has changed; go to a website and there are the same set of arguments, questions and "proofs" that the papacy has been corrupted by Modernism. Though written for traditionalists, The Pope, The Council And The Mass will be unlikely to sway someone hardened into that position, but it may reach a person who's confused and considering joining groups like SSPX. It is also an invaluable research tool for those who are attempting a dialogue with traditionalists. With the proliferation of such sites on the Internet, more "regular" Catholics need to know that they are in the same Roman Catholic Church that Jesus Christ established through the Apostles. This book can help; its style and content are accessible to the average person and it is well-footnoted. The most important aspect of Likoudis's and Whitehead's work is the prevailing charity they demonstrate. When trying to convert people from error, charity is usually the first casualty of the battle, and this book helps in the especially difficult apostolate of trying to reach people who are very devout yet misguided. We highly recommend that every so-called "Novus Ordo" Catholic read this book and prepare for the traditionalist attacks on our Church, which seem to be increasing. We hope and pray that it's reprinted as soon as possible, and will promote its sale to every Catholic we know. Pax Christi!
2nd Edition of this great book coming soon!  Mar 30, 2004
This book is the best book no one read! Catholics today are in a desperate state of confusion faced with increasing pressure from "traditionalists" and SSPX that the liturgy we grew up in is now all of a sudden false. All the defenses of Vatican II that I've found on the Internet point directly to this book, but it's out of print! But I exchanged email with the author and he informed that it's being re-released January 2005 under a second edition to include recent papal documents! So if you can't find a used copy, hold out till Jan!
The Pope, The Council, and The Mass  Mar 26, 2004
It is a shame that this book is out of print. I know people who are searching for it on sites selling used books. It is the only book of its kind to end the confusion for Catholics who do not know how to respond to the questions posed by our misled SSPX brothers and sisters.

Each chapter has, as its title, a question that the rest of the chapter then answers. In summary form, some of the questions are:
1. Why were so many changes made after Vatican II?
2. Are Catholics obliged to follow Vatican II, since it was only a "Pastoral Council"?
3. Did Pope Paul VI have the authority to revise the Roman Missal and make the New Order of the Mass normative for Catholics of the Roman Rite in place of the "Tridentine Mass"?
4. Didn't Pope St. Pius V, in his Apostolic Constitution Quo Primum, issued in 1570, establish the Tridentine Mass for all time?
5. Isn't it true that the Pope did not use proper canonical form in making this change?
6. Doesn't the replacement of the Tridentine Mass abandon our Catholic Tradition?
7. Wasn't the New Order of the Mass designed by Protestants?
8.Is it true that I cannot attend a Tridentine Mass celebrated by a validly ordained priest?
9. What about the words "Pro Vobis et Pro Multis" in the consecration and how it has been "mistranslated" in my parish. How can I have confidence in the Novus Ordo?
10. Wasn't the formula for consecration fixed for all time by Christ, making current consecrations in the Novus Ordo invalid?
...And it goes on for 24 chapters and then has 4 appendices giving appropriate Church documents so you don't have to hunt for them.
The SSPX claims are neatly shattered in Mr. Whitehead's fine book. This is a **must read** for those who are either being drawn into the SSPX and out of the Church without correctly understanding the issues, or for those who have friends or loved ones in the SSPX. Find a used copy...storm the publisher with requests to bring it back into print. It came out a bit too soon and without enough publicity. People just don't know it was written, and that is a shame, because it is a great work and a great service to the Church and those that wish to remain in it.


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