Item description for Bktrax-Disc-Waking The Dead (Unabrdg) (8 CD) by John Eldredge & Kelly Ryan Dolan...
Overview The director of Ransomed Heart--a teaching, counseling, and discipling fellowship--challenges believers that through the new covenant their hearts are good, essential to life, and that they should trust and dareto live from the deepest heart. Unabridged.
Publishers Description "Wild at Heart" helped men get their hearts back. "Waking the Dead" will help us all find the life Christ promised. Jesus said, "I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." That's the offer of Christianity, from God himself. Just look at what happens when people are touched by Jesus--the blind see, the lame walk, the deaf hear, the dead are raised to life. In other words, to be touched by God is to be restored. To become all God meant you to be. That is what Christianity is supposed to do for you--make you whole, set you free, bring you fully alive. But Jesus also warned that the path to that life is narrow, and few people would find it. You'll notice few have. "Waking the Dead "will help you find that life, see the fierce battle over your heart, and embrace all that God has for you. There is so much more. Do you want it?
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Unabridged - 10 hours
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Running Time: 432.00 minutes
Est. Packaging Dimensions: Length: 5.5" Width: 6.6" Height: 1.1" Weight: 0.55 lbs.
Release Date Nov 1, 2003
Publisher OASIS AUDIO
ISBN 1589263685 ISBN13 9781589263680 UPC 9781589263680
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More About John Eldredge & Kelly Ryan Dolan
John Eldredge is the director of Ransomed Heart in Colorado Springs, Colorado, a fellowship devoted to helping people discover the heart of God. John is the author of numerous books, including Walking with God, Fathered by God, Waking the Dead, Desire, and Love & War (with his wife Stasi). John and Stasi live in Colorado with their three sons. He is an avid outdoorsman who loves being in the wild.
John Eldredge lived in Colorado Springs, in the state of Colorado. John Eldredge was born in 1904 and died in 1961.
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Profound, Insightful, Eloquent Sep 13, 2008
I don't make a habit of commenting on book reviews posted elsewhere. However, when another review significantly misses the point and misrepresents a book I've read, I feel compelled to respond. John Zxerce's "Misleading the Living," a review of Waking the Dead by John Eldredge, is a case in point.
While Zxerce's review seems sincere and well-intentioned, it's also an erroneous, inaccurate and error-strewn misrepresentation of the "premise," theme, and content of Waking the Dead. Why? For starters, Zxerce builds his review on flawed foundation and a defective syllogism. (Also note that Zxerce repeatedly misspells "Eldredge" in his review. If the reviewer can't even get the author's name correct, what else did he miss?)
Zxerce begins by stating. "... before I critique his (Eldredge's) conclusion, let me first convey his approach." I contend that Zxerce's conveyance of Eldredge's "approach" is about as accurate as a world map from the Flat Earth Society.
Zxerce begins his summary by suggesting that the "starting and presumed premise" of Waking is "God wants us to be happy." This sounds simple enough, except for one thing: that's not what the book says. This assertion indicates a misreading, misapprehension, or a misconstruction of the text, maybe all of the above.
Waking doesn't start, continue, focus, or conclude with "God wants us to be happy." Instead, Waking the Dead is based on two key Scriptures, one from the Old Testament and one from the New: Proverbs 4:23: "Above all else, guard your heart, for its is the wellspring of life", and John 10:10: "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full" (NIV).
Hearts vs. Happiness: The Difference is Key Even a cursory reading of Part One, Seeing Our Way Clearly (p. 1, 2), indicates that Waking is not about our "happiness," as Zxerce maintains, but rather, the care and condition of our hearts, the core or "inner essence" of the One who made us. Let me show you how this unfolds within the pages of Waking:
The book is divided into main four parts: Seeing Our Way Clearly, The Ransomed Heart, The Four Streams, and The Way of the Heart. Chapters in Part One includes Arm Yourselves, The Eyes of the Heart, and The Heart of All Things. Part Two includes Ransomed and Restored and The Glory Hidden in Your Heart. Chapters in Part 3: Walking with God, Receiving God's Intimate Counsel, Deep Restoration, Spiritual Warfare: Fighting for Your Heart, and Setting Hearts Free: Integrating the Four Streams. Chapters eleven and twelve of Part 4 are: Fellowships of the Heart and Like the Treasures of the Kingdom.
The main text of the book concludes on page 221. It is followed by a Daily Prayer for Freedom (pages 223-226), Acknowledgements (p. 227), an excerpt from The Journey of Desire (p. 228-243), and About the Author (p. 244).
Clues Besides missing the foundational concepts and theme of the book, Zxerce's review stumbles badly in support for its summary points. Although the reviewer claims to use "Eldredge's words" and "direct quote(s) from the book" (see above), Zxerce doesn't cite any and fails to provide any actual quotes or even page numbers to bolster his syllogism. This should be a clue.
For example, see point #3 in Misleading the Living: "Therefore, we are either blowing it or God is. (Eldridge's words)." The reviewer claims these are Eldredge's words. They aren't. Nor are they an accurate representation of the concepts in question. The context Zxerce seems to be referring to is also misconstrued and misrepresented. (He doesn't actually cite a specific page and doesn't offer a verbatim quote, but is apparently referencing a page or two in the first chapter.)
Zxerce seems to refer to a paragraph on page 9 which appears in the context of vanishing hope, and feelings of "despair, betrayal, abandonment by God" (see p. 7) and the struggles with life's inexplicable difficulties and tragedies. Contrary to what Zxerce claims, what Eldredge actually says is this (remember, context is key):
"Has God abandoned us? Did we not pray enough? Is this just something we accept as "part of life," suck it up, even though it breaks our hearts? After a while, the accumulation of event after event that we do not like and do not understand erodes our confidence that we are part of something grand and good. I know, I know - we've been told that we matter to God. And part of us partly believes it. But life has a way of chipping away at that conviction, undermining our settled belief that he means us well...
Either (a) we're blowing it, or (b) God is holding out on us. Or some combination of both, which is where most people land. Think about it. Isn't this where you land, with all the things that haven't gone the way you'd hoped and wanted? Isn't it some version of "I'm blowing it"? In that it's your fault, you could have done better, you could have been braver or wise or more beautiful or something? Or "God is holding out on me," in that you know he could come through, but he hasn't come through - and what are you to make of that?
This is The Big Question, by the way, the one every philosophy and religion and denominational take on Christianity has been trying to nail down since the dawn of time. What is really going on here?" (emphasis in original)
Note the disconnect between what the actual text says and where it points and how Zxerce summarizes it in his "critique."
Continuing on... Conspicuous by its absence in this summary, especially in points 4 and 5, are the vital "connecting points" Eldredge makes between suffering and adversity and God's glory. Citing a quote from Saint Irenaeus, "The glory of God is man fully alive" (p. 10), Eldredge says:
"You're kidding me. Really? I mean, is that what you've been told? That the purpose of God - the very thing he's staked his reputation on - is your coming fully alive? (Notice how Zxerce's summary convolutes and misapprehends this crucial question.) "Huh? Well, that's a different take on things. It made me wonder, What are God's intentions toward me? What is it I've come to believe about that? Yes, we've been told any number of times that God does care, and there are some pretty glowing promises given to us in Scripture along those lines. But on the other hand, we have the days of our lives, and they have a way of casting a rather long shadow over our hearts when it comes to God's intentions toward us in particular. I read the quote again, "The glory of God is many fully alive," and something began to stir in me. Could it be?" (p. 10, emphasis in original.)
Confused and Un-coupled? Again, notice how the "Misleading" review warps and distorts the actual text, as well as the underlying theme.
Among other blunders, Zxerce repeatedly confuses a heart "fully alive" with "happiness" - a coupling never made in Waking. If this is how Zxerce perceived the main theme of Waking, it's no wonder he didn't get the book. (BTW, if a heart "fully alive" ISN'T the glory of God, then what is a heart "fully dead"?)
In point of fact, Eldredge cites John 10:10, 6:48, 7:30, Proverbs 4:23, Ps. 16:11, John 1:4, 5:40, Acts 5:20, Ps. 27:13, etc. to support the main theme of Waking, which is: Jesus Christ came to give us life (p. 10, emphasis in original.). Eldredge elaborates, saying Jesus' offer isn't just
"an offer to us only in some distant future after we've slogged our way through our days here on earth. He talks about a life available to us in this age,... Our present life and the next. When we hear the words eternal life, most of us tend to interpret that as `a life that waits for us in eternity.' But eternal means `unending,' not `later.' The Scriptures use the term to mean we can never lose it. It's a life that can't be taken from us. The offer is life, and that life starts now." (p. 12, emphasis in original.)
Missing the Boat In his sixth point Zxerce claims another "direct quote from the book": "God's happiness and my happiness are tied together." Sounds are little weird, doesn't it? Maybe so, but again, that's NOT what Eldredge says. Eldredge's actual words aren't a declarative statement, but an interrogatory. This is key. In context, the passage referenced reads like this:
"The glory of God is man fully alive? Now? Hope unbidden rose at the thought that God's intentions toward me might be better than I'd thought. His happiness and my happiness are tied together? My coming fully alive is what he's committed to? That's the offer of Christianity? Wow! I mean, it would make no small difference if we knew - and I mean really knew - that down-deep-in-your-toes kind of knowing that our lives and God's glory are bound together. Things would start looking up. It would feel promising, like making friends on the first day of school with the biggest kid in class. The offer is life. Make no mistake about that. So then... where is that life? Why is it so rare?" (p. 12, emphasis in original.)
Again, context is king. Notice how Zxerce misses the boat on this, too.
In addition to this reviewer's flawed and inaccurate rendering of key sections, Zxerce misses another major theme introduced on page 13: We are at War. Citing the first half of John 10:10, Eldredge explains:
"Have you ever wondered why Jesus married those two statements? Did you even know he spoke them at the same time?... God intends life for you. But right now that life is opposed. It doesn't just roll in on a tray. There is a thief. He comes to steal and kill and destroy. In other words, yes, the offer is life, but you're going to have to fight for it because there's an Enemy in your life with a different agenda." (p.13, emphasis in original.)
The "we are at war" theme is developed further throughout the remainder of the book. How Zxerce can claim to have read "the first chapter" and categorize the rest of Waking as "footnotes to this primary chapter" is mystifying. How he can dismiss the crucial foundational elements in pages 12 - 18 is not only stunning, but startling. The result is a fallacious, nefarious rendering of the text that misses the point about as wide as the Grand Canyon.
A House of Cards... The rest of Zxerce's review follows from point #7: "Therefore, 'God's committed to my happiness'. (Another quote)" Zxerce's preceding points are linked to this point (notice the use of the connector, "therefore," in points 3 and 7), and so is the remainder of his summary. One minor detail: Eldredge never says or implies 'God's committed to my happiness'. What he does say is: "God intends life for you" (p. 13), "The offer is life, and that life starts now" (p. 12), "His (God's) happiness and my happiness are tied together? My coming fully alive is what he's committed to?" (p. 12), and oh yes, here it is again: "The glory of God is man fully alive" (p.10).
How many times does Eldredge have to say it? It's not like he's hiding the main theme, trying to sneak it in under cover of darkness. For anyone who can be bothered to look, "The Glory of a Heart Fully Alive" is clearly plastered smack across both the book's front cover and title page. Saint Irenaeus' quote also appears as a stand-alone on the page preceding the Contents. It's not like the theme is a state secret!
Contrary to what Zxerce claims, Eldredge doesn't make a vacuum statement that God is "committed to my happiness," but rather to "my coming fully alive" - which results in happiness, joy, delight, etc. Although subtle, this distinction is crucial. The difference between the two is stark and causes Zxerce's entire syllogism and summary to collapse like a house of cards.
A Few More ?s: Zxerce also misses the salient parts about "original glory, which comes before sin and is deeper to our nature. We were crowned with glory and honor" and "... The reason you doubt there could be a glory to your life is because that glory has been the object of a long and brutal war" (p. 14). Did he also overlook, "Unable to overthrow the Mighty One, he (Satan) turned his sights on those who bore his image." (p. 14)?
Apparently Zxerce also managed to skip over pages 14 and 15 where Eldredge explains that our hearts are the targets of the Enemy. Did Zxerce also miss observations like, "war is a central theme of God's activity" (p. 14), "the birth of Christ was an act of war, an invasion" (p. 16), and "war is not just one among themes in the Bible. It is the backdrop for the whole Story, the context for everything else. God is at war. ... And what is he fighting for? Our freedom and restoration. The glory of God is man fully alive." (p. 16)
You can see how Zxerce misquotes, misconstrues and misrepresents the actual text as well as the primary themes of Waking the Dead. No where is this more obvious than in his eighth point. He writes, "In fact, 'my happiness is the purpose of Christianity'. (An abbreviated quote)"
A "mangled quote" would be more apt. Point #8 is perhaps the most invidious and pernicious assertion within this summary/critique. It is also sheer nonsense, flirting with banal. It's a cheap shot because that's not what the book says, implies, or illustrates. See pages 10 -12 of Waking for the verbatim quote and full context.
Falling Flat Zxerce's charge that Waking "misrepresents scripture (sic) - including Jesus' person and work" and "stands in stark contrast to the New Testament," falls as flat as a Kansas cornfield for the reasons - and verbatim examples - noted above.
Likewise, two of the silliest allegations made in this review are that "Eldredge's book ultimately focuses on the realization of human glory" and can be accurately summed up per Zxerce's "final conclusion": "I need to live for my happiness."
Having missed pretty much everything else in Waking, it's no surprise that Zxerces also misses its focus, which is on reflecting divine glory through whole and holy hearts and "three eternal truths:
Things are not what they seem This is a world at war. Each of us has a crucial role to play."
(Does this sound like "I need to live for my happiness" to you?)
A Clarion Call Zxerce may not be "pulling your leg" with his review, but he is "pulling" inaccurate renderings, distortions, misperceptions, unfounded conclusions and bogus "quotes" from a fine work. His "summary" misrepresents the theme, foundation, and content of the book and should not be taken seriously by any discerning reader.
Indeed, Waking the Dead is a profound, insightful, and eloquent tome that asks tough questions and offers solid Scriptural answers within a context of Biblical truth and a thoroughly Christian worldview. Far from "misleading the living," this extraordinary, engaging and exceptional book is a clarion call to live a whole and holy life to the glory of God. Five+ stars.
Waking the Dead--lifechanging Jun 27, 2008
Here is my "book report" on Waking the Dead, by John Eldredge, a book which has played a pivital role in transforming my personal walk with God. He begins by making the point that we do not see our own situation clearly. There are two vital truths that we must wake up to. One is that God's intentions toward us are truly good. Because we were designed to give Him glory, God's happiness and our happiness are linked together.
The second truth is that we were born into a world at war. The new life God intends for us is being brutally opposed by the forces of darkness. Spiritual warfare does not consist merely of the occasional power encounter, and it isn't relegated to the mission field. It is the true nature of the reality in which we live. Recognizing this could naturally make us want to shrink back in fear. We don't want to become casualties of war, but we fail to realize a vital truth about who we really are and the role God designed us to play in this battle.
Eldredge makes a compelling argument that the heart of a believer is good. God has taken away our hearts of stone and given us new hearts of flesh. Our true nature has been transformed and redeemed. Though we still battle temptation, it does not originate from within our true identity as new creatures in Christ Jesus. When we are assaulted by the desire to sin, we need to tell ourselves, "This isn't coming from my heart because what my heart truly wants is to obey God." The fears that too often threaten to immobilize us come, not from our own hearts, but from the enemy who doesn't want us to realize our true potential as weapons in the hands of our God.
Eldredge goes on to discuss the means by which our hearts can be set free and we can reclaim the unique glory which God intended to reflect from the heart of each one of us. We must learn to trust our God enough to be weapons He can wield for His own glory. We must recognize that we were made for this purpose and to fulfill it is our hearts' deepest desire.
review Apr 23, 2008
came damaged but this site made it very easy to return and they sent out a new one quite promptly. it is a good read.
Good Book for Challenging Men to Wake Up Feb 16, 2008
"Waking the Dead" by John Aldredge centers around letting God awaken our heart and letting Him set us free to be the men He wants us to be. While the book still uses a bit of contemporary movies (The Matrix, for example), there seems to be less of that than in an earlier book by Aldredge - "Wild at Heart". Also, the author seems to refer the Bible more than he did in "Wild at Heart".
Particularly interesting to me were the chapters entitled:
1. Walking With God. 2. Receiving God's Intimate Counsel. 3. Deep Restoration. 4. Spiritual Warfare - Fighting for Your Heart.
While the other chapters were okay, I personally liked the four listed above better.
Still, a good book for challenging and encouraging men to let God wake them up and be the men God wants us to be.
The Famished Heart Jan 13, 2008
So this is the fourth book I've read by John Eldredge (The Journey of Desire: Searching for the Life We'Ve Only Dreamed of, The Sacred Romance: Drawing Closer To The Heart Of God (Walker Large Print Books), Wild at Heart: Discovering the Secret of a Man's Soul) and I have to say that I would be unable to differentiate between the message of all four of his books. I'm not trying to brag about reading four of his books; I am trying to say that I am easily taken in by a fancy new cover and a clever title. Maybe I could pick up on the differences between the books if I had a highlighter and tons of time - but I don't have a highlighter, so I won't.
Eldredge's biggest argument is the that heart is where true life can be found, and that Satan is after our hearts. In this book he offers yet another illustration for his main premise, basically interweaving his message with movies and stories. This is probably the last Eldredge book I will read, since I already know the theme of the next book: Your heart is under attack and you must fight to save it.
I did like this quote from the book: "It's the famished heart that falls for seduction." This is true in everyone's life.