Item description for Ashamed of Joseph: Mormon Foundations Crumble by Charles Crane & Steve Crane...
Overview Today,as in past generations,the mormon system stands or falls on the testimony of Joseph Smith. The purpose of this book is to show clearly and concisely,beyond a shadow of doubt,that Joseph Smith was not a prophet of God! Learn why they are "ashamed of his character,his role as a prophet,his writings,and his true history." to prove Joseph Smith a liar is to prove Mormonism a hoax.
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Studio: College Press Publishing Company
Est. Packaging Dimensions: Length: 8.9" Width: 6.5" Height: 0.6" Weight: 0.75 lbs.
Release Date Jul 31, 1993
Publisher College Press Publishing Company
ISBN 0899006159 ISBN13 9780899006154
Reviews - What do customers think about Ashamed of Joseph: Mormon Foundations Crumble?
Very enlightening Jun 8, 2007
I highly recommend this book to learn about the founder of the Mormon "church" and the history of the Latter-Day Saints.
I am only ashamed that trees were sacrificed for this book... Apr 25, 2007
Who's saying that the LDS church is "ashamed of Joseph"? The last time I checked, I and every other member of the Church that I know have fantastic and sincere testimonies of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Indeed, I can hardly turn the corner around the Temple Square Visitor's Center or the entire Square itself without seeing some wonderful display or portrait of the Prophet Joseph Smith. The author of this book is sorely mistaken in thinking that the LDS Church and it's members are "ashamed of Joseph" because "one Sister Missionary said that they were not supposed to talk about him on the tour." Hello, Mr. Crane, there are more than one tour. I personally have been on all of the tours offered at Temple Square and know that some of them focus on certain subjects that do not specifically bring up the Prophet. Ever think about that before you wasted your time and some poor trees to publish this?
Secondly, the conclusions of this book are lop sided, flawed, hypocritical and downright false. Mr. Crane brings up the same old straw man arguments such as "...the first vision cannot be true because there are more than one account and the "official account" did not come up until twenty years later..." First of all, the first account of the first vision appeared in 1832, only twelve years after the 1820 vision, and was soon followed up with the "official version" in 1838. And secondly, if one is going to say that the First Vision cannot be true because of that before said factor and because there are multiple accounts of it, then one must also discredit the accounts offered in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John because they each offer "different versions" of Christ's life and ministry and were believed to be written in the late 70's or even 80's C.E. Also Paul's account on the road to Damascus was first written by Paul twenty years after it happened and includes different points that are not found in Luke's account in Acts. So the fact is that Joseph was stressing and emphasizing different parts of his vision at different times, to different people, for different reasons. We learn from his 1838 account that he tried to tell more people about it, but that he was scorned and hated for it. So, I ask you, Mr. Crane, if you had a glorious vision of God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, would you go shouting it from the rooftops to everyone you met as soon as it was over? When you do, come and tell me, because I would love to belittle and mock your very sacred and personal experience just like you mock and belittle Joseph's sacred vision.
Thirdly, Mr. Crane argues that Joseph could not be a Prophet because he practiced Plural Marriage and even married teenagers. Based on this argument, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and countless other patriarchs and Israeli Kings must also be adulterers, false prophets and "sex animals" as you describe. In fact, new Hebrew records discovered in Israel last year and recorded in the book "Hidden Treasures of Knowledge" by Stephen Morgan, indicate that both Abraham and Jacob took many young handmaidens - between the ages of 15 and 16 - as wives when their other wives and partners became sterile. And Mr. Crane argues that Joseph could not be a Prophet because he was a "brawler". Based on that logic, many of the Old Testament Prophets must have been false because they used force at times. Moses killed an Egyptian guard, Joshua slaughtered the Canaanite populations, Samson was able to defeat wild beasts, and even Peter and Paul both had their share of encounters where they were forced to use force. And, as Mr. Crane so conveniently misses, Joseph was a brawler in that he either wrestled for a fun sport or tried to defend himself and his family and friends in some way. (This is the same mistake that Mr. Abanes uses in his book "One Nation Under Gods" among other things also mentioned in this book)
And fourthly - this is my favorite part - Mr. Crane gets almost 75% his statistics from Ed Decker's notoriously(and laughably) horrible book "The God Makers" which has even drawn fire from the likes of the Tanners. He also invents his own "statistics" to suit his book.
I will not waste my time or the reviewer's time any more. This book was, in short, no better than "The God Makers" and just as sad to have to even review. However, I wanted to do it to let Mr. Crane and others know that even if some Mormons are "ashamed" of Joseph Smith the Prophet, one of them, myself, is not. I love Joseph Smith. He was a good man and great Prophet of God. The truths that he restored have brought joy, hope and peace in my life and have pointed me on the path that I must take to return to my Father in Heaven. If anyone wants to learn about Mormonism and the Prophet Joseph Smith, this is not the book for you. If you want anti-Mormon claptrap that is no better than "The God Makers" than this is the book for you. Good thing they sell it for like, what, thirty cents, because that is all that this book is worth ;)
Who is "ashamed" of Joseph Smith? Certainly not me. I never will be ashamed of that great Prophet of God. And, as far as I know, not 13 million other members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints either.
P.s. One reviewer mistakenly claimed that Book of Mormon states that Jesus was born in Jerusalem. This is not so. It states "..in the LAND of Jerusalem, which is the land of our forefathers." (Alma 7:11) Which is funny because recent archeological findings have proven that Bethlehem was indeed in the LAND of Jerusalem, which is believed to cover hundreds of miles, as something of a suburb or district of the LAND of Jerusalem. Another has commented - sincerely out of ignorance most likely - that there is little physical evidence for the Book of Mormon. This simply is not true. Check out FARMS and FAIR and then come back and say the same.
"Millions shall know Brother Joseph again. Hail to the Prophet!"
What is Mormonism........ really? Nov 12, 2005
I myself am not a Mormon....I do however find it a "hobby" to study various religions. The iratating thing about people is, is that as individuals, they continually condemn every religion besides their own as being evil and wrong! They never want to simply take an objective look at the facts and then decide! (Paganism in our Christianity Historian Arthur Weigall) Mormonism in it itself looks on the outside to be humorous, wierd, etc. This is though how it was designed to look like, a group a sect following a nutty kid, who made up a story as regards how the lost ten tribe kingdom of Isarel ended up in america. In the area joseph grew up in the was a rumer spread about buried treasure in the hills,etc that was brought up from the 10 lost tribes of israel(taken captive by the assyrians). Another interesting tid bit, is that joseph "found two golden tablets, written in egytian, But he wouldn't let anyone see them and had to wear specail glasses to tell what was "written" as he "translated" the writting he told it to a man secretary(scribe)so that he could write it down because he could read but not write. The book of mormon itself is full of errors, for example it states that christ was born in jerusalem where as the bible states bethalhem. In these "situations the mormons beleive that the book of mormon truimphs the bible as regards being accurate. The book of mormon on the other hand is not available for comment because as joseph stated god took it back to heaven. Much of the understandings within the mormon religion are also steeped in egyptlogy and there are links to various gods in egygt particularly the god RA.
The thought for the day, Why are there so many religions that teach so many things, and that at the same time prove to be so failiable? (Paganism in our Christianity, Historian Arthur Weigall)
Not for the Serious Researcher of Mormonism Mar 10, 2002
The first two chapters of Ashamed of Joseph caused me to think that the authors truly had a heart for the misled Mormon people and were honestly concerned for their spiritual condition.
However, after the second chapter, it became vividly apparent that the book was written for the sole purpose to viciously and scathingly mock the Mormon founder and "Prophet". The Cranes seemed to be having a fine time doing so. Based on some of their comments in the book, I could envision them sitting around the computer, father and son having a fine time trying to outdo each other in wit and satire.
Instead of simply presenting the facts about the Mormon "Prophet", and allowing the reader to come to his own conclusions about the foundations of Mormonism, the book was riddled with sarcastic, mean-spirited comments about Joseph Smith.
Although there are historical facts presented in the book, some of the necessary information is suspiciously left out. For example, the theory that Smith plagiarized the Book of Mormon from a contemporary named Spaulding was presented as irrefutable truth. The Cranes failed to mention, however, that there are serious doubts that the Spaulding manuscript ever existed! All of the evidence regarding the manuscript is sketchy at best. None of this important information is given in Ashamed of Joseph (By the way, the phrase "ashamed of Joseph" is used so redundantly throughout the book as to make one want to pitch it across the room every time it appears.)
After much research into the character of Joseph Smith, I'm confident enough to say that he was certainly no "Saint". After reading the Cranes' book, however, I can also say the same about them. They certainly had their own agenda in the writing of this book, and it wasn't a very loving, or Christian one.
There are no illustrations of any Mormon leaders, followers, or other Mormon points of interest. The authors made sure to include photos of themselves, however.
For the serious researcher into Mormon history, I would definitely not recommend this work
Ashamed Of Joesph ( Finally a piece that hits reality) Oct 29, 2000
Being once a member that walked out after seeing so much of the items described in this book, I find myself excited that this message would get out. Much luck Russia the LDS church is crumbling. Inside inactivity of the church is not publicised. A church that is in a identity crisis. It knows that it has been duped but it fears loosing the social connection coupled with the peer pressure. All Members should read this book along with a "New Approach to the Book of Mormon".